Missile Combat Rules

[Stuart]

Broken arrows don`t get shot. QED, it`s another red herring.

[Angel]

[Stuart]

-and when exactly do arrows " break against armour & shields" ?

Never seen it happen, and any fragments would have such a small mass so as to be incapable of wounding. Once again, another red herring.

If you oiled your arrows ( with raw linseed oil ) , they don`t fracture.

[Angel]

I saw one arrow shatter coming off Kath's helmet one jousting tournament (the fibre tape had degraded). And I've seen arrows break as they have been deflected by shields during SCA combat.

[Stuart]

The SCA ? -and I thought were talking about real re-enactment !

Sorry, but when I work on films or direct re-eneactment events the last people I consult about any combat issue will be the SCA.

Nice people. great costumes, terrific cooks, but they know as much about steel combat as your local nun knows about practicing safe sex....

Stop piffiling about with bits of tape around arrows and dry ( weak as water) shafts. Do what the rest of the world does and linseed your arrows. This is not rocket science.

As far as non-SCA persons are concerned ( the majority on this list ), we need to ensure that litigious & convoluted SCA rules are out kept away from real re-enactment.

Accordingly, I strongly urge that the NAMMA combat archery rules are quickly revised to strike out all SCA style influence.

ps. There is no way that mere 30 pound bows can break slow flu-flu arrows. Try loosing at a tree and note the result.

[Angel]

[Stuart]

..so now we are supposed to be worried about ..seperating pieces of wood ( ! ) . Whatever next ? Suicidal sawdust !
What neurotic rubbish. What scare tactic is the SCA trying to foist on us this time ?

As I said, a complete red herring.

SCA + combat archery= stuff-up.

[conal]

Soorrrry I meant to post this as a seperate topic.

Fan-phukkin-tastic!

Wound locations on the bodies included in the the abstract of one of the publications.

Lots of lower leg hits ... oddly enough.

Multiple arrow wounds required to drop an armoured crusader.

http://vadumiacob.huji.ac.il/

[Jesster]

Stuart,

I believe that Angel knows what she is talking about.

when making rule guidelines for an activity, it fully makes sense to be checking out what multiple existing groups do for it.

precautions need to be taken (no matter how stupid you may think they are) because you never know when something freakish might happen.

better safety-conscious than sorry.

Jess*

[Grayson]

Sorry Stuart the simple fact is
If you don't like the rules don't play

yes these rules are bieng sorted out now by people who actually want to see combat archery done in/at Naama. The SCA CA rules have been followed by people who do steel fighting

Are you putting your hand up to be a target for combat archery? light or heavy?

[Stuart]

I also know what I am talking about. I ran a professional career as a film & TV stunt co-ordinator and producer /director.

What concerns me is the way that cerain individuals "talk up" non-existing issues and turn them into operational problems for real re-enactors. They are usually control freaks.

Lets be realistic. 28 inch flu-flus shot from a weak 30 pound bow are not going to shatter on impact. It`s a fact. Life with it.

-One of the interesting things that may come of the next NAMMA is the realisation that combat archery is really very easy. For that knowledge to become apparent, the SCA will have to partisipate in an experiment and stop being so collectively frightened by a few arrows.

[gt1cm2]

[Stuart]

I think you are all missing the point. Safety in NAMMA should not be set by the SCA -to whom the art of combat archery is ( judging from these mulitiple posts ) is something to be terrified of.
In any case, do we really want NAMMA to set rules laid down by lobbying from the SCA ? - who fight with ratan sticks...

[Chevalier]

[Stuart]

If your arrows are shattering, then either you are making crap arrows, or using a very high poundage bow at point-blank range.