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Stuart
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 Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:14 am |
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I agree with Scott. He puts up a good summery.
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Snorri the Mad
Location: la la land
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:20 am field test field test !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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as befits my mad nature i undertook the field test
1.a bowl helmet with specticals and side flaps with suspension padding all viking age period
2.mad nutter to wear it
3.cautious george to swing sword
result: soft hits to the side were fine, harder hits not enough padding to cushion the blow or brace the neck
overall control is needed but soft hits to the side are not to bad bit wierd
but no damage
if you use it in combat you willl and i mean will need to have more control then normal and the hits would have to be soft, more protection would be bonus and obviously a great deal of training to insure no injuries
note this was done with steel sword and helmet suited for head blow combat  
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Scott
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:33 am |
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The irony in all of this is that I am taking sick leave today for nausea and a perpetual headache after copping a pommel to the forehead during training yesterday. We came to grips and he managed to pull his sword away... I passed behind him and essentially ended up headbutting his pommel.
Oh well, I should have been wearing a mask or helmet! |
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conal
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:51 am |
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| Torsion to the third vertebrae and its all over people. |
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:57 pm |
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| Stuart wrote: | I again must ask if anyone has actually tried to do decaps & head thusts in anything other than in a great helm ? We seen to have devoted a great deal of time to hot air on-line debates, but I have read no evidence, whatsoever, of any practical field-tests ?
Any volenteers for a test bashing ? |
I have already field "bashed" my bascinet with fencing visor against a longsword. It was extremely un-nerving to stand passively while I had my brother swing and thrust while I stood there waiting for it. The main hassle isn't its protective qualities, but rather mass producing it.
However, I am still seeking to improve safety standards and have been slowly working on replicating a broadsword/bayonet mask from the late 19th and early 20th centuries (with modern materials). This has hit a wall as I've been settling into Wellington, but I hope to re-start progress on it in the next few months. Admittedly it probably won't suit re-enactors, but then I'm not trying to. Unfortunately it won't look like a "Darth Vadar" helmet, but then "You can't always get what you want."
I do love this statement though:
"What I am worred about is that pressure is being applied by fighters who work in a limited style ( ie, WMA, HEMA, et al ) and seek to force their "one-size fits all" style on the rest of us."
WMA is probably the least limited style around. NAAMA is incredibly limiting in comparison (no face thrusts as one example). But not only that but WMA is over a long period of history and so has an abundant wealth of different styles.
I am also unaware of anyone in WMA both here and abroad who is seeking to force re-enactors to do anything. I certainly have never heard of any of us trying to impose Darth Vadar looks on anyone, but I suppose it isn't too bad an analogy. In combat Darth Vadar once he got his suit was unbeatable 
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Gerard Kraay
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:51 pm |
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I just cant get over how Stuart keeps responding to things that are not suggested, he is even arguing against things we say are not a great idea in practice.
Bit beyond me, going to ignore him now unless he is constructive.
So for starters, we are looking at light controlled combat in club using fencing masks, with a view, I think to fight inter club with only controlled strikes to the crown of the head. As gear improves we will try other extensions in club before going inter club.
Derek you should come along one Sunday and have a look at the training we are doing with Silver, have a go with us. You would always be welcome, personally I think you guys in the SCA are great value.
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Stuart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:59 pm |
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May the force be with you !
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Inigo
Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:17 pm |
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I now want to make an SCA legal sallet with a removable Darth Vader face plate and fight with a bright red piece of rattan. Just because I can.
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:32 pm |
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I'm afraid you're going to have to wait in line. Once we at WMA headquarters have made our clone army we're going to take over NZ re-enactment and force everyone to wear to Darth Vadar outfits and impose only face thrusts and decapitation style strikes.
Mwahahahaha
All part of our secret plan to take over the world
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Stuart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:45 pm |
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It`s tough being a Jedi around here...
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Inigo
Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:54 pm |
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| blackcrow wrote: | | Derek you should come along one Sunday and have a look at the training we are doing with Silver, have a go with us. |
I don't have a huge interest in Silver. Aside from the amusing anecdotes in Paradoxes of defense, I didn't really get a lot from him.
My dance card is looking a bit full on Sundays, because:
- I'm trying to get SCA heavy going again as it lapsed over winter (rain + armour = sad).
- When I can't get SCA heavy combat happening, I tend to go play with the Norsemen. They tend to kick off at about 1pm.
However, that said, who are "we" in this instance? AS&S? When do you train?
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conal
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:18 pm |
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| Only a Master of Evil, Colin. |
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Inigo
Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:24 pm |
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Here are some photos of SCA fighters at an event I get to every other year in Aussie:
Notice that many look just like Darth Vader.
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adrianf
Location: palmerston north
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:09 pm |
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attention evil overlords...
if we fail to corrupt NAAMA, do we still get paid? 
oh and i think someone has stubled onto our plan
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:31 pm |
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I'm only worthy of the indefinite article? Sheesh, I have to file down my horns every day. Admittedly the time isn't completely wasted as it gives me a chance to consider new and secret ways of corrupting NAAMA.
Fear not evil minions. We at WMA headquarters spare no expense at imposing our will on NAAMA. They will be forced to wear Darth Vadar outfits and will soon only be able to do face thrusts and decapitation strikes.
Proof of the battle fleet being assembled in our very solar system. A battle fleet dedicated solely to imposing WMA onto NAAMA.
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