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Chevalier
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 Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:15 pm ? |
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Eh? No postings yet?
And here I was, thinking NAAMA was all about these issues...
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adrianf
Location: palmerston north
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:24 am |
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tappy tappy sword play is for pansies
also, why dont the people with opinions ever put on workshops at naama or easter camp so we can actually see what they pontificate about
(see if this works)
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Chevalier
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:20 pm Wakey-wakey.. |
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Erh, actually such workshops have been offered over the past, ranging from headblow to I.33 and such approaches?!
Either way, I expected some more combat-related discussions on this forum. I guess it might be too political for such a public forum...
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adrianf
Location: palmerston north
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:31 pm |
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ahh well, i freely admit that i am new to the scene, and know there is much history i dont know about
something tells me its hard to compare one style over another in a text based medium though
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gt1cm2
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:23 pm |
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| Quote: | | I expected some more combat-related discussions on this forum. I guess it might be too political for such a public forum... |
Could just be because this forum has only just reopened, but who cares if what you have it is 'too political' just makes for more discussion and far more entertainment!!
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:55 pm Re: Wakey-wakey.. |
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| Chevalier wrote: | Erh, actually such workshops have been offered over the past, ...I.33 and such approaches?!
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Quite right. A very brief glimpse of I.33 sword and buckler, Lecküchner messer (falchion), Liechtenaur longsword, and Fiore dei Liberi abrazare (wrestling/dagger) have been offered before at both camps.
Whether those or other forms of Western Martial Art workshops appear again at those camps entirely depend on interest; enthusiasm required from the point of view of participants and instructors.
If you're interested in such workshops, there will be an entire weekend dedicated to such roughly in the middle of 2007.
Plans are afoot in November/December 2007, Wellington, to bring out my good friend Bob Charron and his lovely wife Kristi from Wisconsin USA to do an entire weekend on Fiore dei Liberi. I can personally vouch it is worth it  If there are high levels of interest a second workshop weekend is planned for Auckland. Though at this stage of the game it is too early to say whether it will go ahead or not.
No doubt at some stage I'll bring Paul Wagner over again, since he's such a fantastic instructor of British martial arts.
And, I will be presenting a paper at the University of Auckland in February on the True Space and True Place of Medieval and Renaissance Fencing (a titlle in progress). |
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NigelT
Site Admin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:23 am Re: Wakey-wakey.. |
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| Swordsmanship wrote: | | I will be presenting a paper at the University of Auckland |
Wow. That sounds terribly acedemic. Do you mean you're actually teaching students? |
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:22 pm Re: Wakey-wakey.. |
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| NigelT wrote: | | Swordsmanship wrote: | | I will be presenting a paper at the University of Auckland |
Wow. That sounds terribly acedemic. Do you mean you're actually teaching students? |
Yes, very academic  My main audience is going to be University lecturers, professors, and post graduate students 
Still, I've done this once before: on Judicial dueling in 15th century Germany, sans Hans Talhoffer. The theme of the weekend was Death and Resurrection in the Middle Ages. My presentation was on one quick way to get there  I'm quite proud of my presentation too. Out of all the lectures presented mine fielded the most questions and interest. I suppose it was so out of left field for a lot of academics 
The theme this year is on Spaces and Places in the Middle Ages/Renaissance. Since George Silver mentions both the True Space and the True Place it seemed pertinent to include something on early fencing  I expect it will cause a stir. Especially given what George Silver thinks of Italian fencing  (and Spanish fencing isn't far behind). Did I neglect to mention they'll be both Italian and Spanish professors there? |
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Phil Berghan-Whyman
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:31 am |
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Its great to see you getting some recognition Colin, well done.
Unless the audience is armed, I think you can take them. I would suggest wearing protective clothing; academics can be pretty adept at dishing out paper cuts.
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Phil Berghan-Whyman
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:10 pm Running WMA workshops at NAAMA etc. |
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| Quote: | | ...why dont the people with opinions ever put on workshops at naama or easter camp so we can actually see what they pontificate about. |
I ran a Fiore dei Liberi dagger workshop at NAAMA in 2003, having returned to NZ from the UK shortly before that. Dayna and I had done from Fiore training with Rob Lovett while living in London. The reaction was good and I think people enjoyed the class. Colin has run several workshops in WMA at various NAAMAs which have also been good value.
One of the difficulties in running these things is trying to instill in people an idea of the basic techniques (which like any skill require both repartition, adjustment, and more repartition), while also trying to show more involved material to develop the interest of the participants. Its not easy to get the balance right.
NAAMAs and the like are often a good way to get introduced to the WMA scene, but if you want to see or learn more, then http://www.swordsmanship.co.nz/forums/ is a good place to seek out interested individuals and groups, or you could post here in the WMA section and maybe get some interest going! At some stage I'd be keen to run another workshop, but not until I've made some convincing improvements in my own knowledge and practice of the art.
Hope this post was pontificatory to satisfy; still don't consider myself an ecclesiastic though..
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:27 pm |
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The title of my presentation is going to be for the University of Auckland
"The True Space and Place of Knightly Fencing: Unravelling the noble science of early fencing"
I've finally finished writing it up. I've had a few people critique it with a general thumbs up.
It is essentially an attempt to dispel the myth that Knights "fought by brute force of the weightiest sword and stoutest arm". That before Agrippa and Marozzo there were solid scientific principles in every aristocractic fencing MS prior to them. While I'm using George Silver as my main centre piece, it's because he basically rejects the arithmetic fencing of the Italians and Spanish. I go on to quote the earlier fencing treatises and how they agree with Silver's true space and place. I also delve into Spanish and Italian Renaissance fencing as a comparison.
It will be a whirlwind tour of the Medieval and Renaissance fencing treatises. It won't be a how to in the slightest since it is aimed at academics. |
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Colin
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:29 pm Re: Running WMA workshops at NAAMA etc. |
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| Phil Berghan-Whyman wrote: | At some stage I'd be keen to run another workshop, but not until I've made some convincing improvements in my own knowledge and practice of the art.
Hope this post was pontificatory to satisfy; still don't consider myself an ecclesiastic though.. |
I'd be keen for you or Dayna to run a workshop in July at the next NZWMA convention, but I think you'll be pre-occupied with vaguely more important things at the time. |
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Phil Berghan-Whyman
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:14 am |
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| Quote: | | I'd be keen for you or Dayna to run a workshop in July at the next NZWMA convention, but I think you'll be pre-occupied with vaguely more important things at the time. |
I believe I could get a good demonstration of Fiore's abrazare if I told Dayna that I couldn't make it to the birth of our first child because I was attending a WMA conference in July. Certainly I'd expect to be stabbed, punched, or broken in half.
We would like to come up again, as we had a great time at the last one, so well just have to go to the conference in 2008. Hopefully Chris and Alan can still make it this year, and maybe they can drag some of the others up as well.
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Phil Berghan-Whyman
Location: Wellington
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:23 am "The True Space and Place of Knightly Fencing..." |
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"The True Space and Place of Knightly Fencing: Unravelling the noble science of early fencing"
One the lecture has been held, you should post a copy of it here on GD. I'd be interested to read it.
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Adam
Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:33 am Re: "The True Space and Place of Knightly Fencing...&qu |
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| Phil Berghan-Whyman wrote: | "The True Space and Place of Knightly Fencing: Unravelling the noble science of early fencing"
One the lecture has been held, you should post a copy of it here on GD. I'd be interested to read it. |
same here |
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