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tank
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 Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:32 pm suit of armour |
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hi me again with more questions
just want to know if anyone out there can give me a rough
aria/country and date/period of the suit of armour in the pic below
i currently have a chest plate that i baced on this picture
so ild like to know more about the time and origen of the suit
cheers
tank
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Gaius Drustanus
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:09 pm |
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If you want an aria you should probably ask Chantelle. Don't forget her Mega Sale in Devonport on this Saturday.
Gothic maybe.? From the Rhineland (and nothing to do with Goths). Is the Helm a Burgonet? KAOS will know, ask Hannay (Where is Maxwell when you need him? Wasn't 99 cute?)
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Nathan
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Not my period by a long shot, though I am closer the Rob, but I would say late 15th C/ early 16thC.
Looks English.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:53 pm |
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It's list armour for combat on foot, probably German, early to mid c16th.
at a guess...
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tank
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:31 am |
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hmm
you seem to be right bout the germanity of the helm which would serjest to rest of the suit is german also
i think the helmet falls into the "bourgundian sallet" or "Burgonet"
becoulse when i googled them they all showed simmerler features to the one in my pic
also i couldnt find any info on armour coming from 'Rhineland'
hannay may be the person to ask
cheers
tank
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Mad Jim
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:52 am |
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yea looks like a 16thc style, just needs a big gainly matchlock pistol ahah
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Freebooter
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:40 am |
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No, really, it's list armour. You can tell from the symmetrical pauldrons and the shape of the lower helm.
It would have had a long skirt below the waistline, similar to this suit. That stuff wasn't much in evidence before the C16, so it will date to there.
Later period (c17) dress harnesses had similar pauldron arrangements, but this isn't one of those. Not fancy enough.
This one (my pic) is Italian, note the difference in the shoulders and breastplate.
I'd say German or Burgundian, but the man to ask is Joram. That's his end of the (historical) world.
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tank
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:22 pm |
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thanx nic
list armour meens "foot combat"??
u recon the rest of that suit is skirted? lol
cheers
tank
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:46 pm |
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List armour was designed to be used in tournament combats fought over a list (rail) like what is used for jousitng.
The blows were therefore predominatnly downwards, (as it's very hard to strike upwards with a fence in front of you) and thus the armour was designed to shed downwards blows.
This is why the armour was "skirted".
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Nathan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:37 pm |
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You could post it on the armour archive www.armourarchive.com
The stick jocks there have a really good grasp of various armours.
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Gaius Drustanus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:48 pm |
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I thought it was becoz you would list to one side if you were clocked with a Halberd! 
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Gaius Drustanus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:59 pm |
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The Burgonet had something to do with Burgundians (and nothing to do with Burgers, fish nets, Flemish or otherwise) and is reminiscent of a Hellenistic helmet called "Thracian", just as the the roughly contemporary Barbut was not dissimilar to the famous "Corinthian" helm of ancient antiquity. In the Renaissance (the "rebirth" of cultural Classicism of Rome and Greece) design harked back to these distant precedents from a lost "Golden Age"
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Victorius
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| Gaius Drustanus wrote: | | The Burgonet had something to do with Burgundians (and nothing to do with Burgers, fish nets, Flemish or otherwise) and is reminiscent of a Hellenistic helmet called "Thracian", just as the the roughly contemporary Barbut was not dissimilar to the famous "Corinthian" helm of ancient antiquity. In the Renaissance (the "rebirth" of cultural Classicism of Rome and Greece) design harked back to these distant precedents from a lost "Golden Age" |
Barbutes were better designed too, an excellent helmet that offers good face protection if you don't want a visor. Much better vision than the old Corinthian helmets.
For a Barbute, see http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/H6_Barbute.JPG
For a Greek Fifth-Century BC Corinthian helm, see
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Corinthian_helmet_BM_2838.jpg
(Watch out, it's a big file, lots of detail of this old bronze masterpiece)
They lost too much vision, and in their style of close-order shieldwall combat, they didn't seem to mind losing a little face protection in favour of more vision (not to mention more ability to breathe), so they moved to helmets like this:
http://www.sheshen-eceni.co.uk/images/attic%20type%20greek%20helmet%20001.jpg
They were thin in places too, ranging from 0.5mm to 1.6mm (some were 2.0mm). Bear in mind these were bronze, not iron (or our harder steel). One wonders what sort of impacts they faced.
Then again, we are probably more subject to blows on the head than they would have been. Not every combatant actually recieved direct blows from an enemy, charged or not.
So, back to the thread then...I know the harness above was just as likely to receive direct downwards blows, but their helmets seem much better suited to it than those of the Ancients. I see all but the most direct blows hopefully glancing off the tops of helmets (hence the use of maces, warhammers etc). Getting outside my area now, if someone more qualified wishes to comment?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:04 am |
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| Victorius wrote: | | I know the harness above wasn't as likely to receive direct downwards blows, |
Yes. It. Was.
| Victorius wrote: | | Getting outside my area now, if someone more qualified wishes to comment? |
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