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mikronn
Location: Plimmerton
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:31 am Stances in cutting |
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Hi John
I'll dig out the reference - he had a couple of posts.
One I remember vividly was about cutting safety and about always cutting over the lead leg - either by stepping or standing that way. There was a description by someone else in the same thread IIRC about not doing that and either hitting themself in the leg or having a near miss. (Shudder)
In that same vein, I think you would struggle to get good alignment or power with full cut with a crossed stance (reversed leg to hands). My katana instructor considered it a major no-no.
One of the things I have learned (I consider my self NO expert in Western tradition and still with a lot to learn in Eastern) is that the postures and stances in armed and unarmed are basically the same.
With that in mind my finishing position with a katana is usually half front stance (han-zenkutsudachi) with the the rear leg straight and foot at about 45 and front leg bent and foot at about 15-20 degrees. At the point of contact the hips are fairly square to the target and finish in line with the feet as noted about. This means that the cut is largely generated by the hip turn as you pull through. Same posture to throw strong punches or blocks.
I am still learning how to get the right alignment with a longsword (straight longer double edge vs shorter curved single edge). My experience with single hand cutters is very limited indeed but we can both pick Colin McKinstry's brain.
Thanks for fixing the photos they were really helpful. I went out and practiced some draws based on what you had posted and would be interested in your comments. I found that in a draw my lead arm is massively exposed to a counter- seems to be the same in your photo - if you step forward. I need to think about that some more. The step back not so much and the sword comes very naturally to a high ward - just as you showed.
I also did not feel I could cut well from a draw using a single handed stright sword as compared to the katana. Will have to test it with sharps.
cheers
mike |
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JohnF
Location: Palmy
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:20 am Re: Stances in cutting |
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Mike wrote: | In that same vein, I think you would struggle to get good alignment
or power with full cut with a crossed stance (reversed leg to hands). My
katana instructor considered it a major no-no. |
I take it this applies only to descending strikes from above, or above
right? Blows on the pass from the left would be fine, yes?
Mike wrote: | One of the things I have learned (I consider my self NO expert
in Western tradition and still with a lot to learn in Eastern) is that the
postures and stances in armed and unarmed are basically the same. |
I agree. I believe the concept of separating armed from unarmed defence
is a very modern one. When fighting is done with bare hands it is more
politically correct. In this day and age weapons are considered the
province of war or crime - and not for the average Joe. And therefore
many schools restrict weapon training to senior students. A very artificial
division of training. Certainly the NZ Army teaches the use of firearms
before teaching unarmed combat. It make sense to learn the weapon
techniques first, and teach unarmed combat as an extension of that, and
as a method of last resort. Fiore dei Liberi comments in some of his bare
hands vs dagger plays that "This is what you should do if you don't have
your dagger/can't get to your dagger".
Mike wrote: | Thanks for fixing the photos they were really helpful. I went out and
practised some draws based on what you had posted and would be
interested in your comments. I found that in a draw my lead arm is
massively exposed to a counter- seems to be the same in your photo - if
you step forward. I need to think about that some more. The step back
not so much and the sword comes very naturally to a high ward - just as
you showed. |
I imagine that, with a rapier, and constant movement, a photo of the
guard caught through video would match Didier's more closely. My high
ward felt comfortable. I think that is because I am trying to hold my arm
up for a photo with a sword that is heavier than Didier's, and I am trying
to look at the camera whilst imagining an enemy to the right, and lower
than the camera. It is higher, and the arm is more bent than Didier
suggests.
The step forward is only for use against the incompetent and the slow. It
requires them to step back.
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JohnF
Location: Palmy
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:24 am Pictures of Henry de Sainct-Didier's draws |
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Draw 1 & 2
Draw 3
5 & 6 are a snapshot of partway through the draw. They are not a lying!
The swords I'm using is different from Didier's. Heavier, and designed more
for cutting. Whether this devalues his techniques for my purposes I'm
unsure. Experimenting is interesting.
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JohnF
Location: Palmy
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:38 am Diagrams of foot work I'm trying to use |
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Here are diagrams of the footwork that I'm trying to use for fencing and cutting. They are from Volta, Key, and Scale.
I don't always apply them, under pressure I tend to freeze, or charge.
Especially, it's taking a while to make use of the reverse stances, and
crossed steps. When I do use them, I find I have great leverage and
balance.
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JohnF
Location: Palmy
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:02 am 2nd cutting session |
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The Albion Sherriff does a good job of thrusting. I suspended a milk bottle
from a tree at head height. I thrusted 5 times at it before it fell apart. I
placed the tip on the bottle to judge the distance, placed a hole in the bottle.
Whoops. First thrust went through, embedded point in tree, dropped sword
in surprise. Three from a high lying, and one from a low, went through both
sides of the bottle cleanly. I felt like i was thrusting air, the bottle was so
insubstantial. The tip of the Sherriff is very easy to direct onto target, and
thrusts straight through. It's easy to imagine how a thrust can defeat textile
armours that a cut won't.
My first cut of the session felt good. Again a bottle at head height. I was
talking with a friend, discussing what I'd observed during prior cuts. In the
middle of the conversation I raised my sword high and did a down right cut,
on the pass. I cut with great speed and ended in a nice underarm guard. A
clean and straight cut. Mike's suggestion about being relaxed paid off. |
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mikronn
Location: Plimmerton
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:42 pm Foot positions |
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Hi John
Thanks for taking the trouble to post those foot positions - very useful. What is particularly interesting is where your hips will be if you keep you hips aligned with your feet.
In positions 1 - 3 your hips turn away with the feet. You should feel quite a bit of tension in the hips and if you then reverse and pass with your right foot as you cut, you will be able to unload all that energy into your target. As long as you do it relaxed your target will cut cleanly thru and you will feel nothing!
Steps 1 - 3 are also a major unarmed move. As a test, get someone to grab your lapels and hold on. One hand or two doesn't matter. Now do the move. DON'T think about them hanging on - ignore them and just turn away smoothly. Watch what happens to their balance.
I agree with you about needing to practice - it has to become second nature so that you never freeze. I can usually do that unarmed but not so much armed yet. The founder of Kokyushinkai, Mas Oyama, said that you needed to practice something 10,000 times before it was 'yours'. Needless to say, if its practiced incorrectly there is an awful lot of unlearning (been there).
happy new year
mike |
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